For Darkness Shows the Stars Spoiler Thread

Following tradition, I present to you the FOR DARKNESS SHOWS THE STARS Spoiler Thread.

Once you’ve read the book, you may comment here to your heart’s content about Elliot’s unexpected skills with a bow and arrow*, whether or not you liked the fact that the letters morphed halfway through into a lively Twitter feed**, or how weird it was to discover that the Innovation horses were actually killer unicorns.***

Or, you know, whatever really happened.


* She learned from Katniss, because… dystopian, y’all. Everybody knows everybody.
** Twitter is so much more convenient than paper airplanes, dontcha know?
*** Crossover alert!

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29 Responses to For Darkness Shows the Stars Spoiler Thread

  1. Liviania says:

    I am absolutely in love with this book and happy I can finally discuss it with people!

    Must say that I loved how there was never an exact description of the instrument burning. We know what happened and how it affected the characters, but we have to imagine exactly how it went down.

    (That’s the only thing I could think of to say that isn’t lovestruck nonsense.)

    • Diana says:

      We’re fine with lovestruck nonsense here!

      I’m glad that worked for you. The things that happened during Kai and Elliot’s separation were a challenge, because they fit into neither timeline. Given the dual timelines, I didn’t want to mire much of Elliot’s thinking in flashbacks in the “present”.

  2. Jessica BS says:

    Diana, I tweeted to you about how you were breaking my heart, and it was specifically regarding the barn scene before Part 3. It was… good grief. Kai stood outside the door and listened to her sob for 10 minutes before he says anything, and then it’s to be semantically hilarious. After I finished that chapter, I’m not ashamed to say that I hugged the book.

    • Connie Onnie says:

      Oh the heartbreak of that scene, I wanted Elliot to hit him with the lantern.

      • Diana says:

        Yeah, I totally wanted her to do that too! Elliot has a lot more restraint than I do!

        To me, Kai is incredibly flummoxed there. He’s spent four years basically training himself to hate Elliot, being encouraged to be angry at her by friends like Andromeda, and then all of a sudden his whole illusion, his whole imaginary snobby Luddite Elliot (like she had her imaginary Kai) is shattered, and he sort of remembers who he’s been dealing with all along. I think that’s got to throw him off balance. He acts all cool and rich and hot stuff, but he still is a teenager, and he’s as affected by being around her as she is. I feel like this is the number one most important moment for Kai: when he realizes what he’s been doing and why it’s wrong. After that — that’s when you see a whole new Kai.

      • Jessica BS says:

        That’s exactly the reason I completely adored that entire scene. I can imagine him just outside the door, processing and thinking over her letter and everything she’s said & done since he’s been back and realizing what she meant instead of what he took away from it. A lantern over the noggin would’ve done him some good at that point. Offering to pay her… oh, Kai. You big idiot.

        And poor Elliot. So strong and *awesome* for so long, finally allowing herself to feel the pain and fall apart, even for a few minutes.

        Did I mention I hugged the book?

      • Connie Onnie says:

        Yeah I think it was more in the moment I probably would have hit him, I like violence way to much. I actually re-read that scene and when she got thrown from the horse last night. I would also like to say how much I like that her name is Elliot.

    • Diana says:

      I’m glad you liked that her name was Elliot — people seem to be split on that — they either love it or they hate it. Maybe I watched too much Scrubs — I think Elliot is fine as a girls’ name. πŸ˜‰

  3. Terri says:

    All I have to say is, could you not have given us at least ONE lip-locking kiss? I got to the end and…BAH!! I still loved the book though. πŸ™‚ (Kai’s last letter was almost better than a kiss)

    • Diana says:

      Terri, you sound like my editor! After it went into production, she was like, “wait! They don’t kiss? How did we miss them kissing?”

      Though I thought it was very Jane Austen of them not to kiss. I feel like they’ve done plenty of kissing in the past, and will do plenty of kissing in the future… plus, the whole running down the dock and kissing thing — I feel like Rachel McAdams and Ryan Gosling have that pretty well sewn up. πŸ˜‰ Your mileage may vary. You can always imagine them kissing, right after he takes her up on deck…

      • Tiff says:

        I wanted the kiss, too. I was like, “ARE YOU KIDDING ME, DIANA?! FOUR HUNDRED PAGES OF ANGST AND NO KISS?!”

        And then I calmed down and was like, “Ok, well, it is Jane Austen-ish.” But still.

        I can’t imagine it. It’s not canon for me. =(

  4. Kate says:

    OKay don’t throw things at me but I have to say I hated Kai for about 1/2 of the book. He was so incredibly mean to Elliot and she just sat there and took it! I have to say though through it all it made their relationship (and the story) that much stronger because they basically hashed out everything *wrong* with the other person until there was nothing left and they just could be together warts and all.

    I constantly compared the letter Kai to the four-years later Kai and I wondered what went wrong!! I think the moment that they both focused on seemed so huge at the time since they were so young that later on it seemed like “so what?” This is the first romantic relationship that I’ve read in a while that constantly had my heart breaking…thanks for that Diana! πŸ˜‰

    Oh and I loved the scene where he sat and listened to her cry too. I nearly jumped off the couch in embarrassment for her, but it definitely was the sweetest scene…besides the last letter of course. πŸ™‚

    • Diana says:

      I definitely agree — I’m angry at him, too — he comes back angry and vengeful, and as you can see with his old Post friends like Dee and stuff, they call him out for being such a jerk. I think it’s easier for us to be on Elliot’s side because we’re in Elliot’s head and we see how much she’s suffering. It would probably be a very different story if it were all told from Kai’s perspective, and we saw what he’d gone through, and Elliot was an outsider to us. I mean, we’ve all had that desire to go back and be fabulous and cruel to someone who dumped us, right? Just me?

      I’ll write a sequel: For Darkness Shows The Midnight Sun. What do you guys think?


      • Kate says:

        Yeah I agree with that. Elliot may have been the evil rich seductress from his POV. I think you should definitely go The Midnight Sun route!!! I would read that in a heartbeat.

      • Diana says:

        Unfortunately, your only option for now is “Among the Nameless Stars” from Kai’s POV, though I tried with that one to show his evolution from being in love with Elliot to getting to a place where he can, in fact, become the kai we meet years later.

  5. Kate says:

    I had no idea you did ATNS, that is added to my list! πŸ™‚

    • Diana says:

      Oh wow, really? I’m kind of disappointed in myself if that’s the case (that you didn’t know). It’s the second title listed after FD on the homepage of my website, it’s the top entry in “what’s new”, it’s on the For Darkness page on my site, and both Harper and I have been tweeting about it like mad.

      What do you think I can do to raise people’s awareness? It’s a little sad-making that even people who are motivated as you, who come to this site AND the spoiler thread, are not aware of it.

      • Kate says:

        It may just be me. I got a new hard drive 2 weeks ago (without being backed up) and I lost all my bookmarks and RSS feeds, I’ve been slowly getting everything back so I’ve been out of the loop a bit.

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  7. Mikayla says:

    If you write a sequel, I will FREAK. This story was absolutely lovely. I couldn’t stop reading. And honestly, this had to be the first book that I couldn’t foresee the ending too. I had NO idea if Elliott was going to eventually go with Kai or not. The letter at the end from Kai was so sweet. I loved this story and I would love a sequel πŸ˜€ What kind of things will Elliott see? Will the ERV affect Kai? What happens to the estate while she’s gone? So much potential (;

    • Diana says:

      Thanks, Mikayla. It’s always nice to see when a story takes on a life of its own for the reader.

  8. Tiff says:

    Ok, so I really really liked FDSTS – I’m not quite at love yet because you completely succeeded in making me hate Kai and love Elliot. Moreover, by the end of the novel, I was still really on the fence about the ERV and the genetic enhancements – not so much about the sun-carts or the sun-ship (which was COOL), but just the idea of the Posts thinking that they overcame Reduction. I’m like Elliot. I’m not sure. Did it matter in the end for Kai and Elliot? Nope – I was happy they got together because that’s what Elliot wanted. But I still felt like dude didn’t deserve her. I’m still working on that.

    Basically, Diana, your novel got my head all twisted up in knots.

    Part of the problem for me was my constant, subconscious attempt to match up all of the Persuasion characters and scenes to the FDSTS characters and scenes. I’m so annoyed at my head for doing that to me – I just wanted to enjoy it!

    That said, there were a few amazing points that no one here has commented on:
    1) The Olivia Grove fall – HOLY FREAKING COW. That scene basically made the book for me. That and Elliot’s realizations about the Fleet captains. HOLY COW.
    2) the writing – it was so weird and gorgeous and not quite historical/not quite contemporary. I know you mentioned that already when I asked about it, but I was still totally floored by it.
    3) The fact that Kai fixed Elliot’s machinery – COME ON. That was way sweeter than the crying scene to me.
    4) The fact that Elliot hung all of his gliders in the room and went to visit them all the time. DYING.
    5) The whole part with Elliot finding out about her inheritance, then standing up to her father, then negotiating Tatiana and Baron North’s departure. SO BRILLIANT.
    6) The way you made the Benedict North storyline way more understandable and less weird than Austen did. I never got that whole thing with Mr Elliot and Mrs Clay.
    I could go on and on…=p

    I said this on my Goodreads review, but I’ll say it again here. I thought what was most interesting was that I was pretty much completely satisfied even before Kai wrote the letter and Elliot ran to him. I knew that would happen, and I wanted it to – but at the same time, I was more interested in Elliot finally getting off the farm and seeing the world. Kai was like the cherry on the top of the sundae. Elliot deserved to get him after she finally stood up to her father and put the rest of her little world in order. For me, even though the central conflict was supposed to be a romance, I really felt that the romance was almost secondary to the protagonist’s own growth….which, I guess, might have been exactly what you were going for.

    Anyway, this definitely deserves another read. But I might read Among the Nameless Stars first. =)

  9. camille says:

    First I want to say that I’ve read all your books and this one is my Favorite. It was amazing. I hope you do get to right more in that world (if you feel like it of course) because there are so many wonderful/heartbreaking things to be said about the Post-apocalyptic story you’ve created. I do have a question though. It mostly out of curiosity: the book is said to be a retelling of Persuasion which it is of course (althought I believe that you appropriated yourselve the story perfectly)…but I was wondering how you came to the decision to cancel out Elliot’s Little Sister Mary? What made you take this decision?
    In any case, Congratulations on the amazing book. I’m looking forward to your next project.

    • Diana says:

      Hi, Camille, thanks so much for reading!

      There were a few ideas that went into the decision to cut/combine Anne’s sisters, as well as the other characters from Persuasion that I cut and combined.

      One of the reasons is that I’d written so many books with huge casts of characters and I wanted to keep this one down to as very few as I needed to tell the story. “Get rid of one of the wives,” and all that.

      So while I absolutely adore the hypochondriac Mary Musgrove, her highly comic character didn’t really have a role in the version of the story I was telling. Elliot had plenty to deal with without worrying about two sisters, and since I wasn’t sending the older one ‘away’ as Austen did for much of the book, Tatiana could fulfill the role of constantly reminding people how well the Norths thought of themselves.

      I killed off and cut most of the Musgroves, from Charles warm and tender-hearted parents, to the poor dead idiot brother who’d once been under Wentworth’s command in the Navy.) Making Charles/Horatio single and childless rather than married with children worked much better since I was also trying to make the story a young adult one, and his situation then mirrored Elliot’s own, and bright Louisa/Olivia more to the forefront of the story, since she and Horatio were all there were of the Grove family.

  10. Tiff says:

    Oh, I do have one question I’ve been meaning to ask. At one point early in the book, Elliot mentions that she has tutors, and in another, she talks about going to school. Does she do both? Were the tutors just for things like music and dressage and stuff like that?

    Also, I guess I wondered about the education system in general. Kai obviously goes to a Post school, which Elliot goes to a Luddite school. Where do these teachers train, and who trains them? Do the Luddites supervise the curriculum of the Posts, and that’s why they get the same schooling on what to tell people about what happened during the Reduction?

    Also…Gavin and Carlotta – are they named after anyone? Were they just scientists who made ERV and accidentally put it in the wrong hands? Did they MEAN to have ERV be a commercial drug used by millions?

    • Diana says:

      Given the rural area where Elliot grew up, she and her sister were educated by tutors, but she would call the time spent in class “school” the same way modern homeschoolers do. Kai, as he says in his letters, was taught by his father. His father even despairs at one point that he has nothing more to teach him. He also receives additional education from the books Elliot loans him. Kai’s education is thus probably a good deal better than someone like Dee’s, both due to his natural curiosity and the special interest Elliot took in him. (Elliot’s education is also probably better than Tatiana’s since she spent more time exploring the books in her family’s library.)

      Gavin and Carlotta, like many scientists, weren’t necessarily aware of where their discoveries would take them, but they certainly didn’t intend to do any damage and I imagine they died in despair. But in a society like the Luddites, their names were synonymous with evil and they were turned into bogeymen, somewhat as we think of people like Hitler today.

  11. This story is just fantastic! I’m wondering what inspired you into writing about this? I hope you write more stories and don’t forget to write a part two on this one. Thanks a lot!

  12. Maggie says:

    Love this novel so much! I was wondering, why did Kai choose the name Malakai Wentworth? It’s briefly mentioned that he can choose a name in Among the Nameless Stars (which was brilliant) but never said when he did.

    • Diana says:

      Hey, Maggie! It’s actually WentForth, and he chose that last name when he became an explorer, because of said exploring. He “went forth.” (It’s also my little nod to Captain Wentworth of the original.)

      The Malakai part is in honor of his father, Mal.